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| The DL suspension (and fee required to avoid that) are clearly collateral consequences (though automatic) and need not be revealed by the court or the prosecutor.
The real issue will be, whether to render effective assistance, a defense attorney must have informed his client and whether there will be an unwritten requirement on this issue similar to art. 26.13 (h). We already have lots of situations where this issue could have arisen (e.g., sec. 521.341, 521.342, 521.344, 521.3465, 521.3466, 521.372, Transp. Code), yet I have not seen any of the underlying convictions overturned on this basis. But see Shankle, 59 S.W.3d at 762 and cf. Thompson, 59 S.W.3d at 807; Ruffin, 3 S.W.3d at 140. |
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| I try to refrain from posting but . . .
If I'm a misdemeanor prosecutor and I just pled 10 guys that morning in court to DWI probations plus a fine, I'm not going to sleep real well that night if I did not mention to them the "administrative fees". Those pro se guys, who trusted me to be up front and honest with them, will soon learn they owe DPS $3,000 in order to keep their driver's license. You can call it a "collateral consequence" all you want, but it is the equivalent of a "secret" $3,000 fine. It may be a collateral consequence, but when the fees are more than 50% higher than the maximum fine, it is a hell of a consequence to common man. |
| Posts: 42 | Location: Decatur, TX | Registered: March 22, 2001 |
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| Barry, understand where you are coming from, but do you currently advise them the DWI conviction might affect their ability to get a job? Do you advise them of the amount of their probation fees? Do you advise them of the possible effects of a 2nd DWI? I mean we could think of lots of "consequences" that flow from criminal convictions that we as prosecutors are not required to and do not discuss with pro se defendants. Again, I admire you compassion, but won't your result just be that none of those guys plead guilty? So you try them, and they get convicted, and they still pay the $3,000 to keep their driver's license. And you are out the time and effort and cost of the trials. |
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| Well, the Senate just addressed this issue about five minutes ago through an amendment to an amendment to SB 21, which is a clean-up bill for HB 3588, which created these new fees (is that clear as mud?). Anyway, here's the scoop: a new admonition in CCP Art. 26.13(a)(6) that requires a court to warn a defendant of: "(6) the fact that the state imposes additional fees or financial obligations on the defendant in connection with the plea and the amounts of those fees and financial obligations" Note that this will apply to ALL cases, not just the ones affected by HB 3588. Anyone want to get to work tallying up all the "fees and financial obligations" that the state "imposes" in connection with every conviction? Needless to say, this is all a surprise to us. How 'bout them apples? |
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| All those things are maybe assessed "in connection with" the conviction (not the plea), so no admonishment is required. The admonishment requirement can be ignored because it is not constitutionally required and no defendant will ever be able to show he thought there were no other financial obligations associated with his decision. Was this a floor amendment, committee substitute, or what? Now I am convinced they give less thought to bills during a special session than the regular one. |
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| While the House eventually passed its version of SB21 on the last day of the session, it never made it back to the Senate for consideration thus the proposed change to art. 26.13 is indeed gone for now.
Barry: the problem you hypothesize will likely not materialize. The Driver Responsibility Program will likely become well known to even the common man very soon. Things like that just do not stay hidden for long. Rather than worrying about disclosure of "secret fines", prosecutors will be forced for at least two years to worry about burgeoning demands for trials and a sharp increase in driving while license invalid arrests and a multitude of problems (collateral consequences) associated therewith. |
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| Yes, this is a touchy subject. But for those of us who take misdemeanor appointments, the burden is now going to be overwhelming. We take DWI appointments (of course in our county, making the whopping appointed fee of $75.00)and we KNOW the defendant has no kind of money to hire a lawyer. (As a side thought, no DWI lawyer in our town currently charges 3K that I know of) As defense counsel, we have an ethical duty to advise a defendant FULLY of his legal interests (collateral consequences and all - and my firm does). We tell them that no deferred is not available (of course we tell them that you have to be a offender such as a rapist, murderer, robber, person with a deadly weapon crime, and persons of that ilk to get such a great probation deal) and he is going to be convicted on the plea anyway, he'll probably want a trial now. Not that a trial every now and then doesn't keep us all on our toes, I shudder to think of all the jury trial requests that will burden our small, ill-financed, budget concious, "no raises for county employees" system. But, heck, our legislators should not concern themselves with that, right?! |
| Posts: 319 | Location: Midland, TX | Registered: January 09, 2002 |
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| Lisa, I know in you jurisdiction, you deal with many pro se defendants as do I. I have prepared an acknowledgement that the defendant signs as part of the plea that addresses both a further license suspension possiblilty from the State and I have now included a paragraph to cover the surcharges. This has saved me the rash of angry calls I used to get from parents or defendants themselves claiming they were not told of these consequences. My form is very generic. Do you know if there is a form that goes into detail about these subjects that we could have the defendants sign? I have mine filed with the plea papers in the clerk's office to avoid any claim of ignorance by the defendant. I also require one be signed when a defendant is represented. Mike Hartman
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| Will it do any good to stipulate? How is DPS going to know what the test results were to begin with? My judgments do not contain that info and if they get it in some other form such as a log from the intoxilizer or the S.O. etc. we will have no control of that info before it gets to Austin. I agree the theory would be a good tool in moving cases if we can find a way to make it work. Of course, this assumes that we will continue to see the test being taken. |
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| If that is the case, am I correct in saying that a stipulation that the BAC was below.16 would be useless as it relates to the surcharge imposed by DPS? |
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