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| John, as you saw from the article, this was done on the capital murder prosecution of Deanna Laney (The housewife who murdered her children in Smith County the day before Mother's Day). For Smith County, this case obviously developed an unusual amount of media attention. Two days later there were more than a dozen satellite trucks around the courthouse, probably hoping for California type coverage and hearings galore. Judge Cynthia Kent very quickly imposed a restrictive order on media access which dampened the ardor of the reporter's. Christi Kennedy is a local attorney practicing with a firm that mainly deals with 1983 defense. I understand that there is, or there was one planned, a Smith COunty website which contains all the court documents regarding the case.
Net effect, Christi will probably provide better analysis than most of the talking airheads, excuse me legal consultants, for the media. |
| Posts: 59 | Location: Tyler, Texas | Registered: May 07, 2001 |
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| That's a good question, John, but what are the other options? While the competency law was changed to allow agreed findings of incompetency, there is no agreed plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity" -- what do you do with these people (assuming she really was legally insane)?
Could this be another argument for a change in the law to a "guilty but insane" option, one that would be available as a plea or at trial? That's an idea the Senate Jurisprudence committee will be exploring during the interim (with help from Chuck Rosenthal's office), but this case throws in a new wrinkle ... |
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| If the defendant suffered severe mental illness at the time of the offense, it seems quite unlikely she will ever be sufficiently competent to plead guilty to the conduct. In short, such a statute would have to figure out how to handle Moran, 509 U.S. 389. While a jury can certainly make such a finding (and the defense can be nominal) that does appear to be the only feasible mechanism-- short of continued treatment (and "incarceration") under 46B.101 et seq. |
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| Good question; what should such a sentence include, and how should it differ from the result obtained after a NGBRI verdict? |
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| "Guilty but insane" is an oximoron. A crime requires a guilty mens rea. Someone who kills her children during a psychotic episode because the voices tell her to do it, is dangerous, but not a criminal. Such a person belongs in the state hospital.
In the early 60s, a lot of smart people came up with a wonderful new idea: Let's stop "warehousing" dangerous mental patients in state hospitals. Instead, most of them should live normal lives, and be able to go to neighborhood mental health centers to get their pyschotropic meds.
It's proven to be a disaster. Many of these patients (maybe the vast majority), are not responsible enough to stay on their meds, or to stay away from alcohol and narcotics. They soon start to "decompensate," and soon they are in no condition to figure out they need to get back to the clinic.
If they hurt someone, they'll be sent for a short stay at the state hospital. There they'll get them back on their meds and on an even keel, and then they're let go again to repeat the process.
If you've ever tried to carry on a serious conversation with the people who manage the patients in a state hospital, you know what an Alice In Wonderland experience it is. I guess they are smart people, but basic logic is not one of their strong points. |
| Posts: 687 | Location: Beeville, Texas, U.S.A. | Registered: March 22, 2001 |
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| IF it's such an oxymoron, what about 'no contest but insane'. The spirit of the no contest plea is to admit that there will be evidence that the defendant committed the crime, but that the defendant for whatever reason chooses not to controvert said evidence.
A criminal trespass defendant has an agreed hearing on competency. He goes off for evaluation and medication. After the appropriate time, he's determined to be competent to stand trial. Now he wants to claim he was crazy at the time of the crime and uses his lack of competency as evidence of that claim.
"I was so not in my right mind, then. Now I'm on the proper medication, and things are much clearer."
The thing is, I think I believed him. But what happens to him if he is, as is discussed above, incapable of staying on his medication and he slips into his delusions again? Now that he's been in the system, should there be some sort of monitor over this person?
It comes back to: how can we ensure that these individuals don't slide back into the mental difficulties that contributed to their criminal behavoir? What is the preventative measure?
(I don't know the outcome of this case, I moved on to Cooke County before the issues were resolved.) |
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| Many people have reservations about anything called "guilty but insane" because of its oxymoronic nature, and with good reason. Another option could be "guilty but mentally ill" -- but that blurs the line between law and medicine so much that it would likely open pandora's box to every defendant (hey, what isn't a mental illness these days?). Would Philip's idea of a "no contest but insane" or "no contest due to insanity" plea work? What do y'all think?
There are two issues here: (a) how would it legally work, and (b) in practice, would it increase our options and better protect public safety. The second goal seems laudable, but will the first issue trip it up?
Oh, and we all know the reason the state won't stop mainstreaming people who need better care (and sometimes better security): it's money, plain and simple.
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| John, that's the $64,000 question.
How does a court maintain jurisdiction over a defendant who has been found NG(RI or not)? Even in civil commitments of sexually violent offenders, which are still controversial, the defendant has been found guilty at some point in the past. How much more controversial -- or legally impossible, for that matter -- is it to grant a court continuing jurisdiction over an "innocent" person "just because"? Some states have said "screw the oxymoron problem, we think it's more important to deal with these people" and have created a GBI verdict. But neither option seems ideal.
Is there a third way? If there is, I don't think anyone else in the country has hit upon it yet ...
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